Pink Floyd – Atom Heart Mother

20 Jun

pinkfloyd-atomheartmother

It just had to be re-done……………..

Allmusic

Reissue: New decode

Release: DS92p

Source: SQ LP

Process: ‘Phoenix’

Format: DVD-A/V  MLP/DTS/DD

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33 Responses to “Pink Floyd – Atom Heart Mother”

  1. ssully November 29, 2016 at 19:14 #

    Does the SQ LP you used as source have an endless ‘lock’ groove at the end of side 2? (Alan’s Psychedelic breakfast)? That’s what it sounds like in this decode (two drips repeating, then faded out…by you?)

    • oxforddickie November 29, 2016 at 20:17 #

      Yes i faded it out as there seemed little point in having it go on too long.

      • ssully November 29, 2016 at 21:25 #

        Thanks!

  2. ssully July 29, 2015 at 20:35 #

    It seems to me the the last track — Alan’s Psychedelic Breakfast , the 3-part suite – is vastly less active than the others. Is this true for anyone else listening?

    • oxforddickie July 29, 2015 at 23:13 #

      It’s supposed to create the various kitchens so won’t be overly active

  3. primeevil187PrimeEvil July 29, 2015 at 08:34 #

    Just wondering why both of your releases leave track 5 “Alan’s Psychedlic Breakfast” off the back cover that you have made for them?

    • oxforddickie July 29, 2015 at 08:49 #

      Didn’t realise i had, how odd. I can do a corrected version of the back cover if required

  4. rockysquirrel July 7, 2015 at 17:37 #

    Thank you so much for redoing this, OD. It sounds great!

  5. Owen Smith June 27, 2015 at 14:41 #

    This is definitely clearer than the previous SQ/II release, for the first time I can make out some of the vocals eg. “silence in the studio” during the first track. There is quite a bit of quad mix movement going on it some of the tracks, though it is nothing like as active as Dark Side Of The Moon (Alan Parsons version). Phoenix makes the best of what is on offer though, with occasional things clearly moving through several positions across the rear soundstage which is something I’ve very rarely heard and didn’t pick up in the SQ/II version.

    Musically this does take some getting used to. However I’m helped here as a brass player, given the fantastic complex moving trombone and trumpet parts in some tracks. These are very well played by whatever session musicians were used, and the low trombones have excellent bite and rasp. My father (a trombone player) would probably say he hates the music but loves how well the trombones played, and who are they?

    • oxforddickie June 27, 2015 at 15:55 #

      I’m afraid there’s not a lot of information on the album sleeve, Pink Floyd never did seem to give credit to others.

      I remember reading that when Alan Parsons was asked to do a quad mix of AHM he was unsure what was really wanted, so you could say he cut his teeth on mixing for quad on this album and learnt enough to ensure his next quad mix would be a killer, which it was!

      I’ve noticed some interesting things about this mix with this decode, i would dare to suggest it was done will little thought to the issues of SQ encoding. I could be wrong… but he got it right on DSOTM 🙂

    • Owen Smith June 27, 2015 at 16:00 #

      And it certainly turned out for the best that Alan Parsons learned what not to do with this album and then produced his best work with Dark Side Of The Moon. Imagine the tragedy if they’d been remixed for quad in the opposite order.

      As for credits to other musicians, the classic case with Floyd is Tori Amos from Dark Side. She finally, in court, got recognition as writer of the wordless vocals not just performer. And writers get a heap more money.

      • oxforddickie June 27, 2015 at 16:04 #

        Yes, very true. And i’d forgotten about her court case.

      • prefabfan June 27, 2015 at 21:04 #

        Shes always been recognized for the gear vocal work she did before she was born. Thats why she was silent all these years.

      • Beechwoods (@Beechwoods_) June 29, 2015 at 07:39 #

        I believe you’re referring to Claire Torry, Owen…

        • Owen Smith June 29, 2015 at 12:22 #

          Wikipedia agrees with you, I got the name wrong.

    • Beechwoods (@Beechwoods_) June 29, 2015 at 07:48 #

      It was The Philip Jones Brass Ensemble who did the brass parts – they also played with the band on a few dates when the piece was toured. The original cover was quite minimalist, there’s a lot more info on the recent remasters.

      • Owen Smith June 29, 2015 at 12:26 #

        No wonder the brass playing is so good, The Philip Jones Brass Ensemble were the absolute best for several decades. My dad really rates them, I think he may have played trombone with one or two of them when they played in brass bands he was in.

  6. Mike Share June 21, 2015 at 03:04 #

    Thank for redoing this classic title OD! Looking forward to the freebie link (or am I missing something?)

    • oxforddickie June 21, 2015 at 09:05 #

      Ummmm, the file is with the other ‘freebie’ files………..

  7. spidermario June 20, 2015 at 10:13 #

    Wouldn’t the UK Q8 be better? It’s completely discrete.

    • Owen Smith June 20, 2015 at 18:33 #

      Maybe and maybe not. It’s discrete, but the LP probably has better fidelity than the Q8. More to the point, OD has the LP.

    • sacdtodvda June 21, 2015 at 06:17 #

      Many of the conversions OD offers have Q8 equivalents. Any particular reason for raising the issue on this title?

      Besides, plenty of Q8 conversions of this title have already been done.

      • oxforddickie June 21, 2015 at 09:52 #

        One of the reasons i started this blog so long ago was to make available decodes from the matrix encoded LP’s. Releases from Q8’s were never part of the plan.

        I used to have a collection of Q8’s back in the day but, for me, although they were discrete the quality tended to fall below what i called ‘quality’. They suffer from (in various amounts) hiss, wow & flutter, limited bandwidth and, this might get to some of you, a lack of transparency and depth due to the way they were copied/produced having often been compressed etc.

        I tended to only buy the Q8 release if there was no LP version.

        I know it is impossible to decode any matrix system 100% but the results i get from the ‘mythical’ process’s are, in my view, the best possible anywhere. Brave statement i know but it appears that there’s a real problem out there in the world concerning quite how these matrix systems work.

        And that problem is a one of a lack of, or total ignorance of, mathematical understanding and lemmming-ism.

        I have been made aware of a new software decoding process available for decoding SQ. When i heard this i felt relieved that there was finally someone out there i could possible discuss the issues of matrix decoding with, but my hopes were smashed as i read one of the worst things i’ve read for simply ages.

        Yes, the guy is cleverly using a process that shows promise for real-time SQ decoding, it’s a shame he hasn’t a clue how SQ works. I actually struggled to find anything correct!! There’s even bits of QS in there, for what reason i dread to think.

        Anyway, if you’d fancy giving this a try here’s the LINK, and if you do try it, please use the demonstration disc released a few days ago to do some comparisons and let everyone know your findings on the ‘Chat’ page.

        One last thing, if your curious like me, i looked into the Plogue file and i found my name mentioned in it, something to do with an encoder. I want to say here i have nothing to do with this project!!!

        • Owen Smith June 21, 2015 at 14:17 #

          Have you tried talking to the person behind that project? Who knows how open he might be to input, he may simply not have the experience, maths expertise and the documentation sources for correct definition of the matrices. He openly admits his source for EV-4 is a hardware decoder from an electronics magazine from the early 1970s. He’s also not sure he even has some proper EV-4 encoded albums, which can easily be fixed.

          Personally I remain unconvinced of the need for a real time decoder. Surely it is better to do it offline and throw lots of computer power at it, to decode once to a modern discrete format as you do OD. Why would people want to repeatedly decode the same thing?

          • oxforddickie June 21, 2015 at 15:45 #

            To take your last comment first, i whole heartily agree with you. If your going to play something why not a decoded version, thereby keeping the original source in as good condition as possible should a better decoding process become available.

            I’ve not contacted him because as much as i’d love to ‘talk tech’, my experiences of these people hasn’t been good. A while back there was an SQ encoder/decoder VST plug-in. At first this looked to be an interesting idea, that was until i tested it. It did neither function correctly.

            I contacted the programmer who told me it was based on the equations supplied on the midi-magic site. That site is responsible for much of the misinformation put out on the internet, and should be ignored completely. I tried to tell him that the information he used was incorrect he told me the site was well respected and who was i to say otherwise. Then all the crap on QQ happened and i decided to never offer my help again.

            And to be honest i don’t need the hassle and stress, i’m enjoying listening to my decodes and returning to the depths of SQ mathematics is the last thing on my mind.

            Back to the decoding…………..

          • sacdtodvda June 23, 2015 at 01:40 #

            What a shame there isn’t a “Like” button on this forum format.

            Your comments on the apparent need for real time decoding are spot on.

  8. Highlander June 20, 2015 at 04:15 #

    Nice to see this get the Phoenix touch…thank you OD! Appreciate it. 🙂

  9. Owen Smith June 20, 2015 at 01:48 #

    This is an album which proves conclusively that a bad album can be improved by mixing it for quad. The stereo version had so much going on it made no sense, quad opens that up making it possible to make some sense of it. The last track about eating breakfast is still very silly though.

    • oxforddickie June 20, 2015 at 01:57 #

      It is a bit ‘out there’ but i’ve found that it improves the more you hear it, and yes i’ve listened to it quite a bit, hence the new decode, which i think is ‘the bees knees’.

    • bigheadrascal June 20, 2015 at 07:32 #

      Without a doubt Phoenix is the bees knees and the cat’s pajamas. Artistically I’ll leave this to the real “dyed in the wool” Floyd fans. It’s not so much that I dislike it. It just makes me want to switch it off and reach for my Alan Parsons quad mix of “Dark Side of the Moon”.

  10. tarkus2013 June 20, 2015 at 00:56 #

    Oh man….

    • oxforddickie June 20, 2015 at 01:54 #

      Thought you might have said “Holy Cow!” LOL

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