Paul McCartney & Wings – Venus And Mars

15 Oct

Paul McCartney And Wings - Venus And Mars CB031 frontLink

 

Offered here is the follow up to ‘Band On The Run’. Again this title was originally only release in quad form on the Q8 format. Much later there was a CD release using the DTS format. As mentioned by blog members the running order of songs is different than the LP release. Enjoy CB

Album info

Release: CB031

Source: Q8

Format: DVD-A/V  MLP/DTS/DD

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25 Responses to “Paul McCartney & Wings – Venus And Mars”

  1. lmwallnj March 9, 2015 at 06:26 #

    I think the MLP and dts on this DVD-A sound better than the commercial dts CD version. The Q8 transfer has greater detail, more punch, less shrill in the high end during peaks, and more solid vocals. By comparison, the dts CD version sounds lifeless, even when volume matching. I believe possible reasons may be due to the fact that the original quad master was altered to create center and LFE channels for the dts CD, and it sounds like the vocals have been reduced in the L and R channels however are not loud enough in the center channel. Also, this dts CD was one of the early releases that I believe were 20-bit dts encodes instead of 24-bit used on later releases.

    One other difference is the Q8 transfer has the rear channels reversed compared to the dts CD. I believe the dts CD is correct. For example, on the dts CD the vocal intro to “Listen To What The Man Said” moves in a circle from right rear – right front – left front – left rear. However, on the Q8 transfer it moves from left rear – right front – left front – right rear. I assume the rears were reversed by mistake on the actual Q8 tape however I no longer have one to confirm.

    I prefer discrete surround mixes with active rear channels, however the quad mix on many of the songs on V&M have a bit too much ping pong panning that I find a bit distracting.

    This is another excellent Q8 transfer. Thanks!

  2. Owen Smith January 25, 2015 at 13:52 #

    Finally had time to compare the MLP on this to the DTS CD. The muddiness in many tracks is the mix since it’s the same on the DTS CD, so we can’t blame the Q8 for that. And surprisingly despite this being a fairly average sounding Q8, it still sounds better than the DTS CD. There’s just a bit of fidelity missing from the DTS CD, it loses the sparkle and clarity of some tracks eg. “Love In Song”. This assumes you can tolerate the hiss and a bit of wow and flutter from the Q8, which I can. If you’re one of these people that hates to here any hiss or the occasional pitch wobble then you’ll prefer the DTS CD, but you’ll pay for it with reduced clarity and fidelity.

    Another surprising result as with Band On The Run. Given the great results OD gets with his DTS tracks (occasional test tracks I get are in DTS because it so much easier than creating a DVD iso), I wonder if these late 1990s DTS CDs had a poorer DTS encoder and better results could be achieved today? Certainly computers have got massively more powerful since then. Or maybe they didn’t take enough card transferring the master tapes since “it’s only a DTS CD”? I have “Eagles Hell Freezes Over” on DTS CD and that sounds fantastic, amazing sound quality much better than these Paul McCartney & Wings CDs and rhe multi channel was mixed and mastered knowing it was going out on DTS CD as the first release so maybe they took more care with it?

    • Owen Smith January 25, 2015 at 14:00 #

      A sudden thought based on another listen to the DTS CD to check the first track channel positions (based on someone questioning them below). I think the DTS CD might have had some dynamic range compression inflicted on it, the volume drops when the louder track 2 comes in. This could be a lot of what is wrong with the sound of the DTS CD.

    • oxforddickie January 25, 2015 at 14:25 #

      I did notice an improvement in sound quality with the DTS encodes when i moved over to the encoder i’m using now. I now use DTS for playback in the living room with no problems, a very detailed and enjoyable listen.

  3. Owen Smith December 7, 2014 at 14:07 #

    I forgot to say, musically this isn’t anywhere near as good as Band On The Run. McCartney was clearly running low on inspiration.

  4. Owen Smith December 7, 2014 at 13:59 #

    Not as good audio quality as the Band On The Run transfer, which sounds so good I could believe it was from a Q4. This by contrast sounds like your average Q8, though not the worst I’ve heard by any means. There is a bit of tape hiss and wow and flutter apparent which are probably from the Q8. It also sounds muddy in various places, which could be the Q8 or might be on the master. I haven’t had time to compare against the DTS CD yet, I will report back when I’ve had chance (need to do my tax return today).

  5. António Machado November 2, 2014 at 00:35 #

    In the first track, didn’t you make a little mistake and change the front to the back?

    • captainbeyond55 November 4, 2014 at 19:31 #

      I do not think the front and rear are swapped on the 1st track. If true than all six songs from program one would also be swapped. These Q8’s are processed as a group by program (1 & 2). Then the track markers are added.

    • Owen Smith January 25, 2015 at 13:58 #

      Channel positions are the same on the official released DTS CD as they are on this Q8, so it’s meant to be like that.

  6. farfig October 22, 2014 at 16:48 #

    “Venus” was a worthy follow-up to BOTR – I’ve always liked it. Thanks very much!!!…

  7. gleeksmirt7 October 16, 2014 at 15:22 #

    Thanks for this. It’s a fun listen. The only gripe I have about it is the over-all sound quality. It’s taken from an 8-track tape and it sounds like it. It would be interesting to compare it to the 5.1 DTS CD. (IF I only had a DTS encoder in my media set up. )

    • rockyofpittsburgh October 21, 2014 at 22:44 #

      I’m surprised the sound quality on this is as good as it is. As I recall, my old Q8 copy sounded muddy. The DTS-CD version also sounds muddy to me and is not as good a Band On The Run. Thanks very much, CB and Odee!

      The track listing on the DTS-CD is especially annoying. Rock Show is supposed to segue into Love In Song. On this Q8, the only thing that Medicine Jar is out-of-=place, but that doesn’t really bother me.

      Letting Go has to one of Paul’s most under-appreciated songs.

    • António Machado October 31, 2014 at 00:23 #

      DTS for AUDIO??? … Run from it 🙂 … DTS is for movies.

      • oxforddickie October 31, 2014 at 09:12 #

        I’d say Dolby Digital was for movies only and should never have been thought of as a ;high resolution; music format. But DTS does a very respectable job with music and should be considered as the lowest level of compressed audio format.

        I’ve been impressed with the results from the DTS encoder i use, very musical with no obvious audio artifacts.

  8. quadrophiliac October 16, 2014 at 00:31 #

    Band On The Run *is* a hard act to follow. Looking forward to this one too!
    Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou

  9. sumo5763 October 15, 2014 at 13:35 #

    thanks for this and all your kind efforts

  10. sacdtodvda October 15, 2014 at 07:15 #

    The Q8 has a slightly different track list to the LP – with Medicine Jar swapped with You Gave Me The Answer. This not that unusual for Q8s where it was often done for track timing issues. More bizarrely, despite using the same quad mix the DTS-CD had a completely different track order again:

    ORIGINAL LP
    Venus And Mars
    Rock Show
    Love In Song
    You Gave Me The Answer
    Magneto And Titanium Man
    Letting Go
    Venus And Mars (Reprise)
    Spirits Of Ancient Egypt
    Medicine Jar
    1Call Me Back Again
    1Listen To What The Man Said
    Treat Her Gently/Lonely Old People
    Crossroads Theme

    Quad 8-Track
    Venus And Mars
    Rock Show
    Love In Song
    Medicine Jar
    Magneto And Titanium Man
    Letting Go
    Venus And Mars (Reprise)
    Spirits Of Ancient Egypt
    You Gave Me The Answer
    Call Me Back Again
    Listen To What The Man Said
    Treat Her Gently/Lonely Old People
    Crossroads Theme

    DTS-CD
    Venus And Mars
    Rock Show
    Letting Go
    You Gave Me The Answer
    Love In Song
    Magneto And Titanium Man
    Venus And Mars (Reprise)
    Spirits Of Ancient Egypt
    Call Me Back Again
    Crossroads Theme
    Medicine Jar
    Listen To What The Man Said
    Treat Her Gently/Lonely Old People

    • sacdtodvda October 15, 2014 at 07:16 #

      Well, I tried to space that out, into columns but it decided to “save” as I was typing. Like the DTS CD, it’s allover the shop!

      • oxforddickie October 15, 2014 at 07:34 #

        Have altered it to look a little better

        • sacdtodvda October 15, 2014 at 10:02 #

          Thank you!

  11. rayshackleford October 15, 2014 at 06:29 #

    After the clarity festival that was the Band On The Run Q8 transfer I have to have this one 🙂 Beats the pants off those DTS CDs.

    • Owen Smith October 15, 2014 at 17:44 #

      I’m interested in what way you hear an improvement compared to the DTS CDs. I’m not saying there isn’t one, I’d just like to know. I have the DTS CDs and they sounded pretty good to me. I know DTS is lossy, but it’s nowhere near as damaging as standard bit rate (128K) MP3s.

    • prefabfan October 16, 2014 at 07:01 #

      Sorry Ray, this one is mxed in Blur-o-sonic.

  12. lenikus October 15, 2014 at 01:02 #

    Great release!!
    Thank you very much!

  13. lupineassassin October 15, 2014 at 00:20 #

    Thanks! 😀

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