Justin Hayward & John Lodge – Blue Jays

24 Sep

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I would like to thank ‘rockyofpittsburgh’ who provided the Q4 tape. Enjoy CB

Album info

Release: CB036

Source: Q4

Format: DVD-A/VĀ  MLP/DTS/DD

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32 Responses to “Justin Hayward & John Lodge – Blue Jays”

  1. stevetuznik January 5, 2015 at 22:50 #

    I am thoroughly delighted to have found this website, and all of you quadelights! “Bluejays” was my first selection, and my most sought after recording in four channel, even though I already own the quadraphonic reel. But I no longer have the equipment to play it on, so this is a fantastic belated Christmas gift.

    Being an ardent Moody Blues fan for many years, Bluejays has reserved a special place in my past. It comes across as quite romantic, and was released at a time when there were affairs of the heart in my young life.

    The overall sound from this recording is splendid, but I noticed that the rear channels were far heavier in volume than the fronts. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just my own setup?

    Thank you RockyOfPittsburgh for your contribution of this reel, and to Richard and all other contributors for making all of these recordings possible. I look forward to adding many of these historic recordings to my library, and would like to contribute a few of my own if that’s possible or even desired.

    • Owen Smith January 6, 2015 at 08:59 #

      If you like Moody Blues, check out the SAD to DVD-A Resurrected link on the panel to the right, all the Moody Blues quad releases are available there converted from SACD.

      • stevetuznik January 6, 2015 at 21:23 #

        Thank you Owen for the info on the Moodies transfers. I do however own all of the Moody Blues SACD’s. There wouldn’t be any advantage to the transfer to DVD-A’s or would they?

        • birdycat19 January 6, 2015 at 21:43 #

          If you’re talking about the surround mixes, imo the original quads are the way to go. The SACDs employ a derived center channel that emasculates the overall sound field. Also as far as stereo goes, the SACDs are sonically many orders inferior to the original West German Thresholds and the MFSLs. Typical modern “loudness war” victims.

        • Owen Smith January 6, 2015 at 21:50 #

          As birdycat19 says, the SACDs have a fake Centre channel that spoils the original quad soundfield. The SACD to DVD-A conversions have removed this and restored the original 4.0 quad presentation, so you hear them as the mix was originally intended.

          Plus SACDs can’t be backed up or copied due to copy prevention (unless you have an early PS/3 and special software), whereas with the DVD-A conversions you can keep as many copies as you want.

          • stevetuznik January 7, 2015 at 00:20 #

            Well it almost seems like the SACD’s were from the quad recordings already. I read that from several sources including this one: http://www.amazon.com/review/RQHZ0AZV335IG/ref=cm_srch_res_rtr_alt_1

            From my previous plays I never heard anything from the center speaker (and nothing to the sub-woofer as well). But I just now played a couple of numbers from “On the Threshold of a Dream”, and put my ear right up against the center speaker, and could hear some faint music coming from it. I’d never noticed that before. So I would assume the these DVD-A conversions eliminate that. Also I totally agree that it is also wonderful to be able to store the digital copies for future use!
            Thanks for your insights Owen and Birdycat.

  2. prefabfan October 1, 2014 at 17:55 #

    Impossibly beautiful, great from first note to last (maybe not when John sings) but I’ve often thought only Justin was worth listening to the MB. Sound q 10/10

  3. Owen Smith September 28, 2014 at 13:12 #

    I enjoyed this, terrific sound quality from the Q4 transfer and an excellent quad mix as others have commented. But having listened to SACD to DVD-A’s release of Days Of Future Passed yesterday, musically Blue Jays isn’t in the same league. There are clearly some of the same musicians are involved, but there is definitely something missing. Blue Jays is a good album, but it lacks the wow factor. Future Passed blew my socks off, this was just a nice listen.

    Many thanks for another great transfer Captain!

    • sacdtodvda September 30, 2014 at 12:10 #

      Yes, I think that this album is proof of the old adage that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

      Here you have an album by the two main hit writers for the band, they’ve had a 3 year lay-off to get material together and no band project to eat up their best stuff, even the same producer – and yet for some reason it just isn’t quite as good a group effort.

      • birdycat19 October 1, 2014 at 04:59 #

        Well, to be fair, it wasn’t the group šŸ˜‰ I’ve treasured this record since it came out. I can live without the histrionics of “Nights Winters Years” but there are some stone classic Hayward and Lodge tracks here. That it isn’t up there with CHILDRENS CHILDREN and THRESHOLD affects me not.

  4. bigheadrascal September 27, 2014 at 22:14 #

    Love this. Many thanks!

  5. birdycat19 September 27, 2014 at 03:49 #

    Listening now. Magtek schmagtek…either way this sounds approximately 874% better than my rusty old DTS. MANY thanks!

  6. Jack S September 25, 2014 at 14:46 #

    I’ve been told that this is a Magtek reproduction and not the original Ampex version.
    Someone I know bought this one in 1975 and returned it because of the poor quality.
    Magtek took over the license from Ampex around that time and began churning out
    high-speed duplicates, punched up with Dolby to cover some of their offenses.
    Open reel was a doomed format in that age of cost inflation because the quality
    depended on taking the time to reproduce it properly — plus machine upkeep, etc.
    Cassettes began to eat into the market as well, as a more convenient format.
    This is a great piece of history at the end of an era. I think it is worth having. Thanks!

    • rockyofpittsburgh September 26, 2014 at 17:19 #

      I purchased it directly from the Stereotape company.

      • Jack S September 26, 2014 at 17:35 #

        StereoTape supposedly bought from Magtek, where the first edition had been Ampex.
        Ampex took over the open reel duplication from individual labels and got out ot the
        business, selling the licenses to Magtek. Or so I’m told.
        There is a ‘first edition’ from Ampex on eBay that is bid up to $200 so far…

  7. joeerand September 24, 2014 at 21:09 #

    Thanks so much, rockyofpittsburgh, CB, & OD.
    A few years ago I went to see the Moody Blues at a medium sized concert hall, which had plenty of empty seats. The Moody’s original keyboardist left the band long ago, but he was replaced by an attractive young woman. The flute player also retired, and he too was replaced by an attractive young woman. The original drummer is still with the band, but sitting next to him, providing support on another set of drums, was an attractive young woman. Do you think anyone complained about the missing original members? :+)
    Anyway, the core sound of the band is the sound of Justin Hayward and John Lodge, who still sound great and have a fine library of tunes. And they are the two members of the Blue Jays. Looking forward to hearing this in quad.

    • farfig September 26, 2014 at 21:08 #

      I saw them last month (Aug ’14) in Ft. Wayne IN. Mostly the same lineup as you describe above, but a man providing drum support. I did miss Ray Thomas’ voice and songs, as they perform none of his songs without him. He also provided the low end harmonies that were a big part of the Moodies’ vocal blend.

      All that being said, These 2 young women were amazing in their own right!!!….Each playing at least 3 different instruments and both singing backup as well!!!….The venue was a small theatre setting, with excellent acoustics….All in all, a great show!!!

      I am familiar with this LP as a long-time MB fanatic, and have a DTS version. I have all the surround SACD’s, and was disappointed that “Blue Jays” was not included. This is sure to be a huge improvement over the DTS – and I thank everyone involved for the opportunity to hear it anew.

  8. Glen S. Fleetwood September 24, 2014 at 20:57 #

    Hello, I had the dts as well, and this will be a very welcome upgrade. The DTS was sensational. Is this the same finished project just in different format, and or any magic done down by the The Allegheny, Monongahela, and Ohio. WATCH OUT FOR ALLIGATORS!!! And completely self serving and off topic hijacking of your board, , my nephew just graduated Univ. of Pittsburgh last month, and starts his Masters Degree classes Tuesday at London School of Economics!!!!! Moved to Shoreditch

    • rockyofpittsburgh September 26, 2014 at 17:21 #

      The alligator story was disproved. Best of luck to your nephew! Small world . . .

  9. lonky53 September 24, 2014 at 19:56 #

    Thanks for this , my love of the Moody Blues is fairly limited, but I look forward to hearing
    this album. Thanks to rockyofpittsburgh & CB for giving me the chance

  10. quadro2013 September 24, 2014 at 19:54 #

    Thank You to rockyofpittsburgh, the Captain and OD!!!

  11. beukenoot September 24, 2014 at 16:31 #

    This must be a very rare tape! I saw that it is recorded in Dolby-B. Did you process that? I did make once a dolby B coder/decoder for my tape decks from an old cassette recorder šŸ˜‰ But old “dolbyzed”recordings are very hard to decode, since magnetic tapes loose their magnetism slowly, and over the years sometimes the levels become incorrect.

    My technical 5 cents:
    What I hear is some distortion, mabe that was done in the mixing/mastering, or it sounds so because the lack of dolby decoding..

    • Owen Smith September 24, 2014 at 17:59 #

      If you read the Captain’s list in the Equipment section, he has an outboard Dolby processor which he uses for Dolby encoded Q4 transfers.

      • beukenoot September 25, 2014 at 13:39 #

        Sorry did not remember that. It is because the sound has a bit much high’s. I know from my experience with cassette tapes that tapes without dolby usually are better to restore than with.
        Also because there were 2 dolby circuitries at the time, the one from Philips and the HA types which were not 100% the same. (also if levelled okay) Weird but tested it back in the 1980’s on cassettedacks after correcting the record/playback curves and swing capacitor to exactly the same curves.

        Well, it is a very nice quad piece šŸ˜‰ Thanks a lot for the effort!

    • rockyofpittsburgh September 26, 2014 at 17:22 #

      The Sterotape company would put a Dolby reference signal at the beginning of the tape so it could be properly calibrated.

  12. tarkus2013 September 24, 2014 at 14:06 #

    Thanks to rockyofpittsburgh, cap, and OD for this wonderful addition…

  13. sacdtodvda September 24, 2014 at 11:34 #

    It’s worth noting that there are a couple of differences between the stereo and quad mixes.

    In the quad mix, the tracks are cross-faded and flow into each other (making it more similar to the core Moody Blues albums) meaning most of the tracks are a few seconds shorter than the stereo versions – except for second track “Remember Me (My Friend)” which has an extended coda making it almost a minute longer.

    • forthosewithfourears September 28, 2014 at 10:14 #

      Really nice surround mix – as were all of the Moodies quad releases in my opinion. Material wise I always felt this album missed the balance provided on group albums by the other writers. Still some brilliant material though, and good to hear the band stretching out a bit on that coda !

  14. sacdtodvda September 24, 2014 at 11:12 #

    Good to see you got this one sorted out, Captain. it’s a lovely little album.

    Fans of the Moodies might like to check out the SACD2DVDA link, he said in shameless self-promotion.

  15. beukenoot September 24, 2014 at 10:09 #

    Thanks! šŸ˜‰

  16. lizardking430 September 24, 2014 at 09:13 #

    Thanks to rockyofpittsburgh & CB for this – I only had a DTS CD copy of this one…

    Great to upgrade this one….

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